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Re: Brute force attacks
From: "Ryan Russell" <ryanr () sybase com>
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 17:02:40 -0700
This question was asked at Defcon of one of the guys who designed the DES cracker for EFF. Presumably he addresses this in the book, found at: http://www.replay.com/mirror/cracking_des/cover.html But I'll attempt to summarize: You have to know what the output is ahead of time. To qualify that a bit, you have to know exactly what it is, suspect what it is, or have an idea what the general format is. You're only working with 8 bytes at a time, so you make some guesses about those 8 bytes. The example the guy used was an IP stream, or an e-mail. Typically, there is some fixed format to the start of a particular kind of stream. Say, perhaps a TCP header or a mail header. Many times, you know what is it, or can guess what it is. The other possibility is that you have some idea what the output is, say you expect it to be ASCII. So, you program your cracker to look for certain patterns. The EFF guys looked for ASCII. Then, while it's working, the cracker comes up with what it thinks is a candidate for a good key, and hands it over to some controlling computer or person. The controller then tries to decrypt the whole message with the key, and sees if the output looks reasonable. Turns out the chances of two different DES keys decrypting an encrypted stream of any reasonable length to two different reasonable looking things is really small. Ryan The question I have is how do I check my output to validate that I have the correct key?
Current thread:
- Brute force attacks joe harlin (Aug 12)
- Re: Brute force attacks Tina Bird (Aug 13)
- Re: Brute force attacks Adam Shostack (Aug 13)
- <Possible follow-ups>
- Re: Brute force attacks Ryan Russell (Aug 13)
- Re: Brute force attacks Steve Bellovin (Aug 19)
