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Re: ICMP Packets.
From: tqbf () pobox com
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:26:24 -0500 (CDT)
1) Is there any reason that echo reply would need to be allowed out in response to an external request? I know this is the case for other ICMP messages such as packet-too-big, but I am not sure why echo-reply would ever be needed.
No. Lots of people use ECHO REPLY messages to encapsulate tunnels through firewalls for things like sniffer logs. Filtering ECHO REPLY doesn't stop this, but it makes it more irritating. Of course, if you want people inside to be able to ping outside machines, you need to allow ECHO REPLY messages inbound.
2) Is there a list of ICMP message types that are needed as opposed to ones that are just used for troubleshooting ( like echo, echo-reply ) that can be blocked without problems.
Not that I know of, but you should remember that for information gathering purposes, blocking ECHO REQUEST messages is a pretty futile gesture. There are many, many, many different types of packets that can be sent that will elicit some form of response from most remote machines. This isn't limited to ICMP; UDP messages can elicit ICMP errors, TCP ACK packets can elicit RST's, malformed IP packets can elicit ICMP errors, etc, etc. The fix for this is not to rely on packet filters. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thomas H. Ptacek The Company Formerly Known As Secure Networks, Inc. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.pobox.com/~tqbf "If you're so special, why aren't you dead?"
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- ICMP Packets. Toddb (Jun 01)
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- Re: ICMP Packets. James R Grinter (Jun 02)
- Re: ICMP Packets. Henry Hertz Hobbit (Jun 03)
- Re: ICMP Packets. Don Kendrick (Jun 02)
- Re: ICMP Packets. Perry E. Metzger (Jun 02)
- Re: ICMP Packets. Perry E. Metzger (Jun 03)
- Re: ICMP Packets. Bennett Todd (Jun 04)
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- Re: ICMP Packets. Henry Hertz Hobbit (Jun 02)
