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RE: present day admin skills
From: Ichinin <ichinin () swipnet se>
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:00:31 +0100
My 0.02c, (Disclaimer: Errare humanum est.) Over the years i've worked as a network tech, Systems technician, Programmer and teacher. Some people i've med have a certain amount of skills and some have less. The amount in group number two are unfortunately - many. (Alot of them seem to be working at my ISP!) Some have academic degrees, some have certifications, some are self taught and some have experience, and ofcourse - in different combos. Guy X had 3 years of academic credentials; Ok, so how come he didn't know what Netstat is? Guy Y had experience, but only with NT - his Unix/Netware skills were total c**p. Guy Z had great social skills, but his ability to comprehend computers and learn by testing or picking up a book were nonexistant. Many people are hired because of their ability to convince the interviewer of how great their "Winnt /B" typing skills are, and how many products they know about. This is so wrong; many of the MC** holders lack basic skills in MSDos, Networking and troubleshooting, many programmers i've met lack simple logic skills. Shocking... It doesn't help much either that the .Gov where i live have totally destroyed the marked by pushing out x thousands of certified people and alot of academic institutions are concentrating on recieving government money paid per each student they accept, reducing overall quality. Not teaching things that are of absolute importance in real life (i.e. troubleshooting) are also a problem. Problem is it is hard to decide for the interviewer to know if the applicant have the necessary social/technical skills to do the job. (Lately, there have been much concentration on social skills, which incidently, may explain alot of this thread...) What i would like to see is when the interviewer does his/her job there would be some kind of practical test to make sure that the individual have the minimum required skills needed for the job (and i'm not just saying that because i'm a practical person.) Some people are treated as all around experts just because they excell in a special field, Example: i have nothing but respect for say Schneier as a cryptografer, but i wouldn't trust him with a CGI-scanner - just as well as i should not be trusted with analysing crypto implementations, even though i have a good understanding on how key agreement (etc) works. Point beeing; hire competent INTERVIEWERS that are capable to determine (by practically testing the applicant) to see if they can back up their skills by putting theory into practice, instead of hiring someone who MABY will have the required skills. This would provide a good quality control for corporations, problem is - Where would you find good interviewers? (Well, for starters, there are alot of tech's out there that like to try something else...) Regards, Glenn Larsson .SE (By the way - my cv is @ http://www.geocities.com/Ichinin/ ;o) P.S> My personal obstacle: at every other job i have i'm beeing percieved as a threat by people with "non experience based" credentials, they are afraid of loosing the job because i came along, beeing mostly self taught and doing a great job. Then they feel the need to BS me to make further employment less likely. I suspect that some have gone even further... One note to those people: It didn't go BANG and then i had some good skills, i've been using computers since 1983 (7, i am now 28) and i've had 22 computers, i've spent countless hours behind the keyboard exploring new frontiers, working overtime/on vacations, reading tonnes of magazines, books, attending semilars, my first relationship went to /dev/null (and so on). And guess what? I'm still learning one thing (minimum) every day - Are you? All i want is that us autodidact people recieve some respect for our hard learned knowledge - is that so much to ask for? _______________________________________________ firewall-wizards mailing list firewall-wizards () nfr com http://list.nfr.com/mailman/listinfo/firewall-wizards
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