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Re: Whois using these ARIN services?? (fwd: Consultation on the Future of ARIN???s Directory Services) John R. Levine via NANOG (Aug 22)
WHOIS is a very old protocol originally defined in RFC 812 in 1982 and
slightly updated by RFCs 954 and 3912. It is much older than the web and
has nothing to do with the web. There are web pages that fetch WHOIS info
(perhaps using RDAP) and display it, but that's something else.

I don't know, but honestly, who cares. Here is a dandy RDAP client that
runs entirely in your browser.

https://client.rdap.org/

R's,
John

Re: Whois using these ARIN services?? (fwd: Consultation on the Future of ARIN???s Directory Services) John R. Levine via NANOG (Aug 22)
It depends on the registry. Verisign and PIR which run com, net, and org,
still have whois, Identity Digital which runs .info and a lot of other
smaller domains doesn't.

No, it's because people who do domain WHOIS have seen the news from ICANN
and done the small amount of work to move to RDAP.

Re Randy's comment, a lot of info is redacted but again it depends on the
registrar. Everyone still provides registration and...

Re: Whois using these ARIN services?? (fwd: Consultation on the Future of ARIN???s Directory Services) Mike Lyon via NANOG (Aug 21)
Curious, why retire Whois?

With the ever increasing ARIN rates, can y’all not afford to continue the service?

As it stands now, every time i use the whois web client (couple times a week), it never loads the first time (on any
device and on any network i’m on) and i have to reload the page.

How hard and expensive can it be to keep a whois webpage up and running?

-Mike

Re: Whois using these ARIN services?? (fwd: Consultation on the Future of ARIN???s Directory Services) William Herrin via NANOG (Aug 21)
I just did a "whois" on my own domains and found it still working. And
I checked under the hood - the client isn't using RDAP.

Maybe there's a disconnect between announcement and practice here? And
the lack of outcry is because pragmatically speaking whois still
works?

Regards,
Bill Herrin

Re: Whois using these ARIN services?? (fwd: Consultation on the Future of ARIN???s Directory Services) Randy Bush via NANOG (Aug 21)
why would one given that anything useful is redacted?

randy

Re: Whois using these ARIN services?? (fwd: Consultation on the Future of ARIN???s Directory Services) John Levine via NANOG (Aug 21)
It appears that Rich Kulawiec via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org> said:

I'm scratching my head. Is it really the case that nobody here has been using
WHOIS to look up domain name info? Because that ship sailed years ago. ICANN
mandated RDAP with about a two-year transition period which was over last year.
If you want to get (what remains of) info about domains, you have to use RDAP,
with a little bit of WHOIS left for some country...

Re: Re: Whois using these ARIN services?? (fwd: Consultation on the Future of ARIN???s Directory Services) Alexander Harrowell via NANOG (Aug 21)
Also, there are users, who occasionally want to check something and will be
turned away.

Re: Re: Whois using these ARIN services?? (fwd: Consultation on the Future of ARIN???s Directory Services) Rich Kulawiec via NANOG (Aug 21)
I strongly concur with this. There are no doubt a LOT of people who
have no idea that any of this happening, but who have built extensive
tooling on top of whois and will not be happy when it all suddenly breaks
(with whatever operational consequences that implies).

What needs to happen is: (1) the developers of every significant whois
client need to be notified (2) they need to be convinced to put a notice
in the client software (3) they need...

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Re: Re: Whois using these ARIN services?? (fwd: Consultation on the Future of ARIN’s Directory Services) Shane Ronan via NANOG (Aug 18)
John,

Your email says "This transition is an important step toward improving
alignment with established IETF standards.", aligning a new feature to a
standard doesn't mean shutting down a service that is used in so many ways,
and expecting users to rely on a service that by your own admission isn't
the standard in todays OS deployments.

Wouldn't it make sense to work with the OS community to rdap clients
ubiquitous...

Re: Whois using these ARIN services?? (fwd: Consultation on the Future of ARIN’s Directory Services) Randy Bush via NANOG (Aug 17)
it's the fashionable way to be sure to catch as many supply chain
attacks as you can

you'll love iirdv4

randy

Re: Whois using these ARIN services?? (fwd: Consultation on the Future of ARIN’s Directory Services) Tom Beecher via NANOG (Aug 17)
For Rust, <1000 for any full featured application is pretty decent.

I also fail to see why it matters.

Re: Whois using these ARIN services?? (fwd: Consultation on the Future of ARIN’s Directory Services) Andy Newton via NANOG (Aug 17)
If you look closely, he didn't just compile the client. Also, that client does A LOT more than a typical WHOIS client.
This is an apples-to-oranges comparison.

The users manual is here: https://icann.github.io/icann-rdap/rdap-cli-tools/cli-client/
It includes instructions on how to get pre-built binaries and pointers to packages.

As was stated upthread, there are plenty of RDAP clients and plenty pre-packaged:...

Re: Whois using these ARIN services?? (fwd: Consultation on the Future of ARIN’s Directory Services) Matt Corallo via NANOG (Aug 17)
Its one thing to write something in Rust, its something entirely different to have FIVE HUNDRED AND
FOURTY FIVE DEPENDENCIES. In what world is that even remotely acceptable for modern software that
people might want to use in production environments.

Matt

Re: Re: Whois using these ARIN services?? (fwd: Consultation on the Future of ARIN’s Directory Services) John Levine via NANOG (Aug 15)
According to Lavender-Jamie via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org>:

None, but ICANN told their contracted TLDs to support RDAP by February
2024 for DNS names. In January 2025 they said that WHOIS is no longer
required, and a lot of them have now turned off their WHOIS servers.

We passed that point several years ago. I have scripts that do a lot of
lookups of both IPs and domain names, and they use RDAP for everything other
than a few...

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