RE: 60 Hudson

[Daniel Golding <dgold () FDFNet Net>]

Yes, selling to or being taken over by Cogent IS synonymous with going out
of business. Its one of those signs that your business plan didn't work
out quite the way you intended, right up there with the repo man
repossessing your core routers, or your paycheck bouncing. I'm not trying
to crack on Cogent or anything - buying up distressed companies is part of
their model, and has worked for others.

- Dan

On Fri, 25 Apr 2003, Todd A. Blank wrote:

> Correct me if I am wrong, but the FiberNet to which you are referring in
> 60 Hudson is a different "FiberNet" than the one that was headquartered
> in Columbus, OH and recently sold to Cogent.  As far as I know, they
> (the FiberNet in Columbus) are not out of business, unless selling to or
> being taken over by Cogent is synonymous with "going out of business"
> :-)
>
> This is not in defense or support of either of these organizations.  It
> is merely a clarification of the facts.  Maybe Drew is trying a new
> variation on the "Joe Job" thing :-)
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Todd A. Blank
> IPOutlet LLC
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Drew Weaver [mailto:drew.weaver () thenap com]
> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 12:57 PM
> To: 'Jeffrey Meltzer'
> Cc: 'nanog () merit edu'
> Subject: RE: 60 Hudson
>
>
> This might explain why fiber net went out of business and sold to
> cogent??
>
> -Drew
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeffrey Meltzer [mailto:jeffrey () villageworld com]
> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 10:32 AM
> To: nanog () merit edu
> Subject: Re: 60 Hudson
>
>
> Quick followup, apparently the current issue i'm having with them is a
> "bad
> oc48 card" (again, shocker), and they don't have one in stock, and had
> to
> put a "rush order" in for a new one...You'd think a carrier would keep
> this
> sort of thing in stock.  Went down late yesterday afternoon, and with
> this
> being Friday, i'm sure this won't be fixed until late Monday.
>
> Use this as an indicator before choosing FiberNet :)
>
> Jeff
>
> --
> Jeffrey Meltzer
> Network Services Manager
> ICS/VillageNet
> 631.218.0700
>
> On Fri, Apr 25, 2003 at 09:42:22AM -0400, Jeffrey Meltzer wrote:
> > As someone who uses FiberNet in 60 Hudson (and ethernet link back to
> 25
> > Broadway) i'd say avoid them like the plague.  In the ~6 months that
> i've
> > had this circuit (aparently it's provisioned over an OC48), it's gone
> down
> > at least 4 times, possibly more, sometimes for upwards of 12 hours at
> a
> time
> > (starts at 10% packet loss, then just keeps growing).  Their answer
> every
> > times has been "bad OC48 card".  I don't know whether that's just the
> line
> > they're feeding me (I have a feeling it is), or their hardware vendor
> is
> > just garbage, but they don't appear to have the ability to keep this
> circuit
> > up for more than 3 weeks at a time.
> >
> > At one point they sold us on upgrading it from Ethernet to FastE, we
> said
> ok
> > maybe that will be better.  However, they took down the 10M link at
> around
> 9pm
> > on a Friday night, and by 7pm Sunday night they hadn't had the 100M
> link
> up
> > yet so we just told them to forget it...
> >
> > Since the circuit is just backup, i've been testing FiberNet as fo
> late.
> > Yesterday, after I started seeing packet loss I waited at least 2
> hours to
> > call them, to see if they'd notice the issue themselves.  Of course as
> usual
> > they didn't.
> >
> > I'm fairly sure i'm the only customer they are providing this
> > service to between 25B and 60H, otherwise for sure they'd know by know
> > (unless they are dedicating a full OC48 to my 10M link, which would be
> a
> > whole other story itself).
> >
> > I'm unsure, however, if this is how they provision service inside
> (suite
> to
> > suite) 60 Hudson, it'd be fairly strange if they did, but FiberNet is
> > turning out to be a fairly strange company.
> >
> > ..just my experience :)
> >
> > JEFF
> >
> > --
> > Jeffrey Meltzer
> > Network Services Manager
> > ICS/VillageNet
> > 631-218-0700
> >
> > On Wed, 16 Apr 2003, Simon Lockhart wrote:
> >
> > > Speaking to Level3, they're saying that the Fibernet suite on the
> 1st
> floor
> > > is the best place for interconnects to other suites in the building.