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Re: Buying and selling root certificates
From: Scott Francis <darkuncle () darkuncle net>
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 22:21:08 -0700
On Thu, Apr 29, 2004 at 12:02:44AM -0500, stephen () sprunk org said:
Thus spake "Robert E. Seastrom" <rs () seastrom com>Most of us who are willing to opportunistically do STARTTLS are using self-signed certificates anyway. We do this for many reasons; chief among the reasons I do so are: 1) More encrypted traffic running around the Internet is a _good thing_This is an oft-overlooked angle... If only sensitive information is encrypted, then the mere use of encryption makes one a target -- one buys a safe only if they have valuables to protect, right? However, if every home came with a safe, how would burglars figure out who to rob? The feds clearly have the power to get through or around encryption suspected criminals are using: the FBI reports that there have been _zero_ cases nationwide over the past several years where the use of encryption has prevented them or other agencies from obtaining the evidence needed, even when "secure" tools like PGP, SSL, or IPsec are used.
<snip>
That assumes the FBI can be trusted to be honest about cases where encryption
successfully foiled their investigations. It is in their best interest, after
all, to have everyone, criminals included, think encryption is not worth
using (_especially_ if it is). :)
OTOH, the average criminal is probably about as smart as the average user,
which means the FBI wouldn't have to break the crypto, when they could just
guess the criminal's passphrase/password with a minimum of effort ...
(that said, I absolutely agree that more crypto everywhere, for both
important and trivial traffic, is essential to reducing the "unusual" nature
of such traffic. Crypto should be the default, not the exception.)
</wishful thinking>
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- Re: Buying and selling root certificates David Lesher (Apr 29)
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- Re: Buying and selling root certificates Robert E. Seastrom (Apr 28)
- Re: Buying and selling root certificates Randy Bush (Apr 28)
- Re: Buying and selling root certificates David Lesher (Apr 28)
- THe Internet is Too Secure Already (was Re: Buying and selling root certificates) Sean Donelan (Apr 28)
