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Re: Buying and selling root certificates


From: Scott Francis <darkuncle () darkuncle net>
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 22:21:08 -0700

On Thu, Apr 29, 2004 at 12:02:44AM -0500, stephen () sprunk org said:

Thus spake "Robert E. Seastrom" <rs () seastrom com>
Most of us who are willing to opportunistically do STARTTLS are using
self-signed certificates anyway.  We do this for many reasons; chief
among the reasons I do so are:

   1) More encrypted traffic running around the Internet is a _good thing_

This is an oft-overlooked angle...  If only sensitive information is
encrypted, then the mere use of encryption makes one a target -- one buys a
safe only if they have valuables to protect, right?  However, if every home
came with a safe, how would burglars figure out who to rob?

The feds clearly have the power to get through or around encryption
suspected criminals are using: the FBI reports that there have been _zero_
cases nationwide over the past several years where the use of encryption has
prevented them or other agencies from obtaining the evidence needed, even
when "secure" tools like PGP, SSL, or IPsec are used.
<snip>

That assumes the FBI can be trusted to be honest about cases where encryption
successfully foiled their investigations. It is in their best interest, after
all, to have everyone, criminals included, think encryption is not worth
using (_especially_ if it is). :)

OTOH, the average criminal is probably about as smart as the average user,
which means the FBI wouldn't have to break the crypto, when they could just
guess the criminal's passphrase/password with a minimum of effort ...

(that said, I absolutely agree that more crypto everywhere, for both
important and trivial traffic, is essential to reducing the "unusual" nature
of such traffic. Crypto should be the default, not the exception.)
</wishful thinking>
-- 
       Scott Francis | darkuncle(at)darkuncle(dot)net | 0x5537F527
                        Less and less is done
                     until non-action is achieved
             when nothing is done, nothing is left undone.
                                    -- the Tao of Sysadmin

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